Just an Epic Life
Just an Epic Life
Timeshare Temptations
Have you ever walked into a situation absolutely committed to saying "no," only to surprise yourself by saying "yes"? That's exactly what happened during our impromptu getaway to the red rocks of Sedona, Arizona.
Sitting poolside at the historic Arabella Hotel—where Elvis Presley once requested the very diving pool we enjoyed—we unpack our unexpected journey from timeshare skeptics to vacation ownership "dabblers." The hotel itself is steeped in Hollywood history, with connections to John Wayne and Henry Fonda, making our $400 three-night stay feel even more valuable.
Our commitment was simple: endure the obligatory two-hour timeshare presentation in exchange for our discounted stay and loyalty points. Armed with years of credit card hacking experience and previous disappointing timeshare encounters, we arrived with crossed arms and defensive postures. But something different happened this time. The presentation's transparency and focus on a points-based ownership model rather than traditional week-based timeshares unexpectedly resonated with our logical approach to travel.
For frequent travelers who traveled for nearly 50 days last year, the concept of "owning" versus "renting" points suddenly made mathematical sense. We detail how we ultimately credit card hacked our purchase to earn 260,000 bonus points, the value proposition that changed our minds, and our potential plans to donate some of our timeshare opportunities to charity fundraisers in the future.
Whether you're a timeshare owner, a timeshare skeptic, or someone who's sat through countless presentations for the free gifts, we'd love to hear your experiences. What would make giving up precious vacation time worth it for you? Share your thoughts and join us on this journey of epic adventures with epic people!
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Speaker 2:Mm-hmm, welcome back to are going to be awesome. Welcome back to what used to be called the Nick and Kesley Show and is now called the Just an Epic Life.
Speaker 1:Got me mid-drink.
Speaker 2:And it's because I wanted to cut you off. I wanted to get started.
Speaker 1:We're ready for the pool.
Speaker 2:The pool is calling us. It's much like the experience we had today. I am just a get-to-the-point kind of girl and my lovely husband over here wants to make people feel important and and good, and I'm just like, can you just give me the data so I can move on and make a decision? So yeah, welcome to the hotel arabella arabella uh, we've learned here in the red rocks of sedona, arizona we've learned the history behind this place a little bit.
Speaker 1:It has history related to John Wayne, elvis Presley, henry Fonda. Like movies were filmed at this location. The pool behind us was built at the request of Elvis Presley. How cool is that.
Speaker 2:He wanted a diving pool, and so they built him a diving pool, because he was filming here.
Speaker 1:And there is a chance that he peed in that pool and we swam in that.
Speaker 2:Oh my, gosh, you were the weirdest person in the whole world. Yeah, oh yeah welcome to sedona yeah, it's. We are um about an hour and a half from our house to sedona it uh, when I looked earlier it was 84 degrees and I think back home well, if I I'm like we could get real crazy I think it's about 100 back home and it's 84 here, so get to it's 80 right now, just kidding, it says 77. So let's see what it is in Peoria.
Speaker 1:I think the low this morning was 47.
Speaker 2:96 in Peoria excessive heat warning. So yeah, in just a quick 90 minute drive and that's Nick's 90 minutes, so you know I would get here just a little bit faster.
Speaker 1:You're in this beautiful country where you can hike and not melt too much. Now, this trip was not planned.
Speaker 2:This was a Wait, so I can call this an impromptu trip.
Speaker 1:I think so. Yes, so we werein in august for a conference and I was lured in with the uh idea of points he's a sucker do you want free points.
Speaker 1:I'm like, yes, absolutely, I know, I always know there's a catch. So I sat at the table with the person and I walked away from the person. I'm like, no, no, this is just not worth our time. And then later that day I went back and I went okay, tell me more about this. So I mean, essentially we were given three nights, four days, at multiple properties throughout the world, specifically North America, and I thought this would be great.
Speaker 1:The two of us, or maybe the four of us, can do a getaway to New York City, maybe Miami, something far away. And I had like a year or a year and a half to use it and I didn't book anything. And they kept calling you because I did it in Kesley's name, because we streamline all of our travel loyalty through her name, that way we're not splitting up loyalty stuff. So they kept calling her saying, when do you want a book? When do you want a book? And she was so irritated. So I'm like, okay, I'll just put something on the calendar. And I looked at the summer schedule and this is like the only tiny window that worked for the two of us to just do a getaway. And we're an hour and a half from phoenix, so it worked.
Speaker 2:So we got here the way he presented it to me was honey, I bought us three nights, four days, for two hundred dollars. Right, two hundred dollars. You know it was cheap, whatever it was, and I was like, okay, and then they kept calling. So it's it. What it turned out to be is we paid a very inexpensive price to uh, get to give up some of our vacation time so we could do a timeshare presentation so exactly cue all the music yes, that's the cringe, the yeah, and in fact, like I started, we started going through this over the last couple days.
Speaker 2:I was like what if we don't show up for the timeshare presentation? He's like well, then we have to pay. And I'm like, okay, so my time dollar per hour plus my you're taking away from my vacation, plus your dollar per hour like is it really worth it?
Speaker 1:and we settled on, we made a commitment, we gave our word, so we went to the stinking presentation and we went with, uh, two intents, uh the intent to say no and the intent to uh gather things to talk about on this podcast, absolutely to talk about what a timeshare presentation is like when it might be an appropriate use of your time. Your time is the most valuable resource that you have.
Speaker 2:The only thing you can't get back.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so we were going to talk about that whole thing and we're going to talk about relationship with timeshare presentations and just give you feedback, and then things turned a little bit yeah.
Speaker 2:So the last time we were trying, yeah, so the last time we were trying to figure out, the last time we went on a timeshare presentation because, honestly, I've been avoiding these like the plague, like I would almost rather do anything than have.
Speaker 1:Well, what's your first memory of one Like I remember being seven years old.
Speaker 2:I don't have that.
Speaker 1:Enduring in order for our family, because I mean humble family, great vacations.
Speaker 2:Your family growing up, not our family, yeah, my family.
Speaker 1:Growing up we did this across the country travel because you know relatives in Massachusetts, in New England, the whole area. And driving back we went through Florida because we had relatives there. And then my parents thought, hey, it'd be great if we could do a Disney experience with the kids, keeping in mind there wasn't much money. So the option was, hey, we can get free tickets if we do this timeshare presentation. So I remember being an irritated six or seven year old, bored to high, holy hell or seven-year-old bored to high, holy hell.
Speaker 2:My first presentation was when we were in Kabul, in San Juan, the Kabul, and we were sitting at the bar and the guy I don't even remember but the guy started talking to us. We were sitting at the bar and next thing I know he's like can I buy you breakfast? Can I buy you lunch and some more tequila? Not that night, like we didn't drink too much, that's not what I was getting at, but somehow we agreed to this and what turned out to be a time-series presentation where a lovely young woman took us through the property, she fed us breakfast, she showed us rooms and things like that, and then we sat down with an arrogant full of himself. I like could I slime ran off of him and onto us is disgusting, but we did give it strong consideration. Like I remember us taking a walk and going. We could do something like this and I don't remember how much it was like.
Speaker 2:In my brain, time shares back then were like $20,000. I don't know if that's a real number or not. It could have been less. And then the next time was somehow when we needed to go on. We were going on vacation with kids when they were little. That's what I think in san diego. Do you remember this one? Did we do that?
Speaker 2:for lego land tickets or something maybe could have we might have I just remember we dropped the kids off in the child care space and at two hours I was like, okay, I want my kids back. And nick talks about how they took our kids to hold us hostage. And at, honestly, at two hours I was like you said, two hours, I want my kids back, I'm ready to go. And we got to stay in something right there on the water in Oceanside for a couple hundred dollars.
Speaker 1:So if you ask people about timeshare presentations or timeshares, I would say 19 out of 20 people would say negative things.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, I don't. I mean mean, there's only we talked about this, there's only one person we know that successfully uses timeshares and is an advocate now we've also been the benefit of two people who have vacation club ownerships.
Speaker 1:one person uh donated, has continues to donate experiences to one of the charities that we uh love and support, and we have selflessly donated for that.
Speaker 2:Paid too much. Not too much, but paid.
Speaker 1:A decent amount to support that charity. And also we get to go on trips at this person's vacation club or things. We just went to Belize because someone has some vacation ownership, so we've been able to benefit from other people. But as a consumer we've never been willing to cross that line.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so honestly, this morning, when we had to get up and go to a presentation at 8.15, I was like, ugh, he says, okay, we need to get there by 8.05. I'm like, absolutely not. They're getting two hours and not one minute more. Like this is ridiculous. We will leave here so that we are literally walking in the door. They never start on time. By the way, I'm right they do not start on time. I had time to get refreshments which I didn't get. I brought my own. I don't need their crap and use the restroom. And then our cute little salesperson who I literally looked at and I'm sorry, danielle, you're going to listen to this, but I thought I'm going to chew her up and spit her out Literally what I thought.
Speaker 1:I thought this girl does not stand a chance. Uh, against my no.
Speaker 2:And it was great our relationship got to revolve and at the beginning, like you were just quiet, oh, I just sat there like this like cross armed. I was like not having it.
Speaker 1:Do you think they knew that you were the decision maker?
Speaker 2:oh.
Speaker 1:I don't know, because I was the talker, because I was my God. He wanted to make people feel good.
Speaker 2:Poor Danielle. She's doing everything right. She's like where are you guys from? Tell me a little bit about yourself. And I thought you're going to get one word answers, because you're getting two hours and that's it.
Speaker 1:I broke down that wall and I just said, hey, you have to be licensed as a real estate agent which. I already knew this, I know, but I had to create conversation. And then I'm like oh, how long have you been licensed? Two years, oh, are you coming up on your?
Speaker 2:continuing ed. And then these two got to talk.
Speaker 1:I gave her all the hacks on how to get Kessley lit up and instead of defensive Kessley, it was coach Kessley saying okay, what do you want to get out of this? Until Mark walked in, Continuing ed.
Speaker 2:And then it was like oh no, no, no, no, no, we're not having any big guns, no big guns allowed.
Speaker 1:It was a little bit like a car salesman experience, where there's the person who you're dealing with, but they're not authorized to do things. So then there's the supervisor, so there was a little bit of that.
Speaker 2:Well, so Danielle greets us, we go upstairs, she takes us straight to her desk, which that's not what I remember the experience ever being before, like I remember pretty much being funneled into a room.
Speaker 1:I love that it was transparent. You're here for a sales presentation.
Speaker 2:Yes, 100%.
Speaker 1:And let's inspire you with travel.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and when Mark sat down he's like what is your experience with?
Speaker 1:time share. How would you define?
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, and Nick shares he's all nice.
Speaker 2:And then he looks at me and I said a waste of my time and I'm like and he goes, excuse me, and I said this is awkward, yes, a waste of my time, like I'm ready to be back at the pool or sitting somewhere where I can look at this beautiful view. And he was like, okay, understood, and I said I, I, we, we are point hackers. We create millions of points every year and so I don't know that this really fits for us. So so we're here because we have to be. So I did love, when we did get into the big room, that they tell you we know that you've already had the conversation about how you are not buying anything today.
Speaker 1:You've already discussed with each other that, no matter what happens, you're not purchasing. We know that you already had that discussion and that's okay. They just said you know. We just ask that you're open-minded.
Speaker 2:So if you've done a timeshare presentation so far, nothing really is different. I will say, before we went into the group presentation, mark was like hey, we know that we're not for everybody and we don't want you to buy something that you're not going to use. And I feel like that was nice to hear, because it wasn't like the other experiences where they were like you were gonna buy, you gotta buy, you gotta buy.
Speaker 1:And I think what you just said, the something that you're not going to use, mm-hmm, if you know us, you know we're going to travel.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and, and so.
Speaker 1:So, for us, the product it has, for us, the product it doesn't have the fear of, are we going to use it or not? That's not.
Speaker 2:No, the fear is, can we use it in the places we want? Correct? Yeah, I think that that was a lot of the initial conversation, and so we do the presentation, whatever of of a retired pastor pastoring and uh, then back to danielle, we go and we sit what questions do you have?
Speaker 1:I shot off two quick questions poor danielle at this point.
Speaker 2:Yes, nick shoots off questions, and then she's like do you have any questions? I'm like, no, get to it. And she's like well, what questions do you have? And she's like well, what questions do you have? And she's like I said no, no, I need you to get to it so that I can figure out if I have questions. And she kind of looks at me and she's like well, but, and I'm like no, no, you go.
Speaker 1:It's like you with your coaching agents. You know, ring, ring, ring. No, we're in dialogue right now.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm like I literally because I feel like there was too little information given. It wasn't. I don't even know like I'd be curious what the normal consumer thinks. Right, like we need.
Speaker 1:Are you saying we're not normal?
Speaker 2:Well, I think at one point we decided we were going to use this for content. Yeah, so we can help people decide if they want to give up two hours of their life to get three nights to.
Speaker 1:I'm going to ask you a question. To give up two hours of their life to get three nights to? I'm going to ask you a question. If we said no and all we got was the 10,000 initial?
Speaker 2:points that when I signed up the 50,000 points and this is through Hilton, wait so now it's 60,000? Yeah, oh, that's more. Okay, good.
Speaker 1:So this is through Hilton. So according to NerdWallet, right now each point is worth about 0.6 cents. So you're doing some math, okay. So 10,000 free points, 50,000 free points just for doing the presentation, plus staying at this property for four days, three nights, for, let's say, it was $397. Okay, well, better.
Speaker 2:I'm sure that was it.
Speaker 1:Was it worth it for two hours?
Speaker 2:if we said no, yeah, I would say yeah.
Speaker 1:I agree, yeah, I would, was it worth it for two hours.
Speaker 2:If we said no, yeah, I would say yeah, I agree. Yeah, I would say, I mean, the hotel is beautiful. Let's talk about this hotel for eight this morning did.
Speaker 1:Were you saying the same thing?
Speaker 2:no, it wasn't worth it irritated that we had to go we had to set an alarm on my dollar per hour, like it. Actually I really did think so. It cost more than that. Four hundred dollars and getting the sixty thousand points because it cost my time that I'm never getting back, yes, and so yeah, I guess. But okay, let's talk about this hotel for a minute, because it's actually quite lovely. It doesn't look like anything spectacular, if I'm being honest.
Speaker 1:Yeah, when we booked it and I'm like let's Google map this. I'm like, really it looks like a motel.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the pool is heated. Really it looks like a motel. Yeah, the pool is heated, the hot tub is heated and it's not overly heated and not too cold Like it really is a beautiful temperature.
Speaker 1:And actually this is a motel because the cars pull up to right outside the doors. Oh, is that why it's called a motel? This is a motel. Yeah, like motorists, do some etymology on that. Yeah, motel versus hotel. It has this little swinging thing that you can't see, because this was built in the 1960s. Yeah, and this is. This was the cool thing.
Speaker 2:Well. So when we checked in, nick had booked two queen beds because we thought we were going to bring the kids. So we didn't bring the kids. They're too busy, their lives are way too busy. So we get to the front desk and I said hey, there's just two of us. We didn't bring the kids. Do you have a king? And she's like oh, we don't. And I said she says but I can give you a single queen. And I was like no, no, I'd rather have two beds. And she's like well, the benefit would potentially be a better view. And I was like, okay, she's like, and a patio. And I was like, okay, I'm like, how about whatever you choose that has a great view and a patio would be amazing. So she's like I have a perfect one.
Speaker 1:And, honestly, she picked a great room. I would.
Speaker 2:I think we probably have the best view, like the other the rooms on either side in sedona there's beautiful mountains all around us, but that view right behind us. Yeah, and the one straight over here. I mean, this panoramic is really beautiful.
Speaker 1:We're looking down at the garden area. There's some places around where you're looking into a parking lot.
Speaker 2:There's a fire pit right here. The breakfast is spectacular. It's not the Ritz-Carlton in Cancun. When we stayed there, when it was.
Speaker 1:Ritz Carlton. But it's like the eggs don't taste fake.
Speaker 2:It has some potatoes, the sausage doesn't. Yeah, yeah, it's a really beautiful, so we're not having to pay for breakfast, so that. So really, I feel like for $400 for three nights, four days, it's quite elaborate. So anyways, okay, back on to our timeshare presentation. So Danielle finally gets to it, right? I don't know.
Speaker 1:She does a cool calculator.
Speaker 2:Getting back to the consumer, we've been through timeshare presentations, we know how much we travel. Can you tell me how many days you traveled last year? We traveled just under 50 days last year. Most people are like, oh yeah, I traveled 7 days or 14 days because that's how many days you traveled last year. Like we traveled just under 50 days last year. Most people are like, oh yeah, I traveled seven days or 14 days because that's how many days I get off work, or five days or 10 days, and so that's, that's not, that's more of the typical. So I feel like, for the consumer, I don't know that there was enough information given in the actual presentation, for I mean, the number one question I would have is how much is it? Yeah, right, how much is it? And, um, what they're talking about? Point systems, and that's a different point conversation than, like, the normal point conversation that we have.
Speaker 1:Because our first uh uh experience with timeshares is it's this specific location for this type of room, and we also have a network. In case you don't want to stay here, then we can also put you up somewhere else but it's complicated and you only get one week a year this one's totally different and it's like a point system, the way that we use our loyalty points, which are two different types of points. But it's it's on that idea, yeah well, well, yes, so there wasn't.
Speaker 2:There just was. I feel like there wasn't enough information, so for somebody to come back and sit down and I mean what?
Speaker 1:I don't even remember your questions, but when she looked at me, I asked about cause you were able to roll over and I said what's the fee for rolling points from one year to the next? And then I asked about a legacy for passing points onto your heirs and I asked if there's, if it's affected by estate taxes, things like that.
Speaker 2:And she was like yeah, because I don't think most consumers ask these questions either, correct, yeah, so I'm just a nerd yes. But then she's like what questions do you have? And I'm like I, I don't, I don't have any yet. Get to it.
Speaker 1:And she's like well, but I'm like no, no, get to it so she got to the calculator and she's you know how many times did you travel? Like 45, 47, and we're like, yeah, but that's all in point. She's like, okay, how many?
Speaker 2:how many times?
Speaker 1:did you pay, yeah, to stay somewhere, and we're like 10 or 12 yeah so then she put that in the calculator and then she brought us into the conversation one of the three things that really got me interested in saying tell me more. And that's the idea of renting versus owning. Because with renting I mean, let's say that I have, let's say that that we have that's 2 million points through a Hilton Marriott, something like that. Million points through a Hilton Marriott, something like that. Once you spend it, those points are gone. The ownership side you have your allotted points and every year you get that same amount of points given to you again in perpetuity, so forever. You know it's. You're paying up front, but for the next 35, 40, 45, 50 years that you want to travel, you're always given those points. There are maintenance fees and those maintenance fees can be higher because they're based off of how much you have in ownership. But when we looked at it things sort of seemed less of a waste and more of a tell me more by about that time in the conversation.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, after Danielle shares all the things and how many years we're going to do this, and then Mark comes in and he brings our options to us. This is where I feel like it felt very much like buying a car, because we had to bring the manager in or something.
Speaker 1:Adjust our microphones. Okay, sorry about this sound. I just realized that we are facing each other and our microphones are facing the others. You silly you can keep going while I try to be quiet no, yeah.
Speaker 2:So they lay out three different options. Quite frankly, I don't know there was necessarily sticker shock, but certainly I was like nope, I'm not doing that one of the things was like oh, oh, this is $64,000. We're like nope, I'm like we are going to be out of here in under two hours. This is fantastic.
Speaker 1:And then, like now, we realize that that's not a reasonable thing. So here's this one, and then here's this one, and even that third option, which in my mind made sense, I just wasn't willing to do it.
Speaker 2:No, yeah, for sure, honestly. We were like thank you, I just wasn't willing to do it. No, yeah, for sure, honestly.
Speaker 1:We were like thank you, and that's when we started to say the no conversations and that's, I feel like that's when things started to shift, because there's something amazing when you have, uh, let's say, you have a subscription to HBO max, the moment that I get paid for HBO and not yet. Uh, the moment that you go to cancel HBO max, they might say thank you so much. Your last date to watch is this. Or they might say but wait how about for $9.99?
Speaker 1:These next three months we give you at half off. And then you're like there is that new season of that show, okay, okay. So there is beauty in saying no.
Speaker 2:Yeah, by the way, let's have just a second of a hack for your credit cards, in case you have those that are high. What is it called Annual?
Speaker 2:fees and you're not using the benefits, or you like a particular card and you are using the benefits, but maybe you're considering getting rid of it, which, by the way, don't close it. That's my recommendation as a real estate agent and also talk to your lender if you're going to do things like that, but you could call and ask for a retention conversation if you were going to close one of your cards. It doesn't always work. I don't recommend you do it all the time. Certainly do not do it in your first 12 months, because they might say, well, pound sand, you're not getting your welcome bonus.
Speaker 2:You had that experience with Barclay. You went to cancel a card and they're like whoa, that was my first experience, tell us what's important. And that was during covid, so that was like april 2020, and we had this one card that we had canceled all our trips. Right, because the planes weren't doing the plane thing and like they weren't serving alcohol. So we didn't need the alcohol bonus, we didn't need the luggage because we weren't flying, we didn't need all the things. And I called and I was like we don't need this card anymore and I just paid the annual fee and they were like wait a second, we'll upgrade you to this one and you can get blah, blah, blah I don't remember what it was and I was like, okay, and you can stay at this annual fee. And I was like, okay, well, covid's not gonna last forever, so this would be great, yeah so there's power in saying no so.
Speaker 1:So we told them no.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:He came back and I said well, it's been educational, and that was his key word.
Speaker 2:And he even told us the minute you say the word educational we know it's a no, as he grabs his papers and folds it up, and Nick started to ask additional questions and Mark looked at him like what.
Speaker 1:You're already a no, why are you asking more questions?
Speaker 2:In fact he said specifically you said no, that means the sales presentation ends. I'm going to go close you out. And I mean my guess is he wouldn't have been nearly as aggressive with somebody like you. But I had already said to him get me to the bottom line. Multiple times I had said just tell me the bullet points, I don't need the fluffy bull crap. And Danielle had said she's like thanks for saying that, cause there's lots of conversation about talking to people about emotion and I get it Like we, we talk emotion in my world, but there's the me's in the world. They're like it doesn't matter what the emotion is, it's all about. Does it make sense? Is there logic inside of it? So there wasn't logic and so it was like thank you, but no, thank you.
Speaker 1:And then he went to close us out, yeah, and then of course, that's the opportunity where he says okay, so we finished up, but let me, let me just give you one other thing that we can do. And then my favorite thing and we were talking about drug dealers- oh my gosh, this is ridiculous.
Speaker 2:Those two, him and Mark, they found a.
Speaker 1:Kindred. Kindred, yeah, kindred you know when you're going for your drugs on the street. The first hit's always free.
Speaker 2:Do you know from experience? Don't answer that I watched Breaking Bad.
Speaker 1:Oh, okay, that's how I know, okay, I did not watch the watched breaking bad, okay, so I know, okay, I didn't first hit, it's always free, because then they, yes, uh, so that was fun and you know he's like, so as a sales team, we can do this and this and this to bring you in at this level.
Speaker 1:and, and he showed us, uh, something that was uh of the dabbling level yeah, dabbling so what we're excited to do do is, over the course of the next 12 months, 18 months, be able to provide you with our experience at the dabbling level of ownership.
Speaker 2:Which basically means we said yes after we were not going to say yes. In fact, this was funny. You want to tell your experience? You can go, I can tell my side.
Speaker 1:I'm sure it's not accurate according to kessley.
Speaker 2:Oh okay, I basically sat there and he's like, okay, I'm good to go.
Speaker 2:And I looked at him funny and I thought I said okay, I'm ready and I looked at him and I was like, in general, let's go, the logic of it makes sense. And so I said, okay, well, I can't function because I have to pee, so so I make this year decision and I walk and I come back, and he so. By the way, we credit card hacked this one too. Yes, we did, because we put it on credit cards where we got 130,000 bonus and we met the minimum spend today on.
Speaker 1:Well, we got him one and then we were like wait we can do this a second time, so we got two cards at 130,000 bonus points, and these are Hilton-branded cards that give us 12x multipliers. So any money spent on Hilton, you get 12 points for every dollar. So not only were we getting the 130,000 bonus points for my card and her card for meeting the minimum spend, then we're also getting 12 points per dollar spent on essentially the level of ownership that we came into. So when she was at the restroom I was going okay, this many points, this many points, okay, times 0.006. That gives a cash value of 2,000. I'm going through stuff like this and she comes back and I say, okay, so just by doing this, it's giving us the point value of this. Okay, I have to go pee, and then I left, yeah, and then we came back and I mean, the moral of the story is we said yes.
Speaker 2:It made sense. It'll be interesting to see how it actually works out.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so I'm excited you know how you get buyer's remorse. Have you had any buyer's remorse?
Speaker 2:No, but because we're in the state of Arizona, we have 10 days to rescind, so I still have 10 days. Excellent, to go back and say, absolutely, matt, this is a bad idea, but I see the opportunity in it. So, yeah, I'm not terribly worried.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think it's going to work out. I see the opportunity.
Speaker 2:So I don't think it was very honestly, I don't think it was very pushy. I think the pushiness was only because I'm pushy, so they just they mirror and matched me um, which I gave them permission to do, right, like I literally was like like let's roll through this, let's not do the fluffy stuff.
Speaker 1:And we came in as seasoned travelers and we're not financial professionals, but we're much more savvy than we were when we were 23.
Speaker 2:20, oh my gosh Gosh, even a decade ago. So.
Speaker 1:I mean any experience we had, we set up for ourselves, and they matched that energy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think that even potentially, what we bought could be good, even for the five to ten day a year traveler, potentially, but only time will tell.
Speaker 1:And I look at it as this could be the perfect opportunity for us to start donating to charity. You know, being for when people are having fundraising galas, for us to be able to donate this because our traveling is quite unique, yeah, uh. But to be able to give someone, let's say, a charity, to be able to auction off the idea of three nights, four days, at pick a location yeah, and it's not based off of any location, but we can pick, you know, you can pick Cancun or Hawaii, and you know. Or, if you don't want to do an airfare experience, you know, hey, four nights in Sedona, that's something that's easy for us to donate. We'll have to check with our tax professionals for what those implications are. Yeah, but that's one of the things I'm excited about.
Speaker 2:So I'm curious do you own a timeshare? How many presentations have you been on? What was your experience in those presentations? Was it much like what ours was in the early years or much like it is now? And what? This is my big question. What would you be willing to give up? Two hours of your life and, by the way, that two hours actually became a little bit more than that. I think we were a little.
Speaker 1:Essentially, we had a real estate transaction.
Speaker 2:We did so it was about three-ish hours. So what would have to happen for you to be willing to give up that kind of time inside of your vacation, knowing that your vacation time is precious? Because I I think that if this was like one of my major vacations, I would be less likely to want to give up that time yeah, yeah, this is not one that has been planned.
Speaker 1:This is, I mean yesterday. We worked in the hotel room for three hours before we I mean yesterday we worked in the hotel room for three hours before we adventured.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So yeah, it's been fun. It's been fun, it's been real and it's been epic. And that's what we're after Epic adventures, right.
Speaker 1:Yep Epic adventures with epic people.
Speaker 2:I got one of them. You're so sweet so until next time.
Speaker 1:Enjoy an epic life All right until next time enjoy an epic life.
Speaker 2:All right, only one. We need like seven more.